Tough spot w/top pair

[UmmTasty]

The guy that opened in this hand is a 27/11. The guy that is 200bb deep is a 48/19 and the sb is a 43/13. On the flop I realize that this is about as good as it gets for my had besides a draw to go along with it or something like that. But we are 4 handed and I have an aggro deep player left to act behind me so how to proceed seemed a little tough to me. What do you guys think on the flop?

Merge - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hero (MP): $88.56
CO: $69.97
BTN: $122.03
SB: $33.65
BB: $37.75
UTG: $44.86

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($6.50, 4 players) 3 Q 7
SB checks, UTG bets $4.87, Hero ??

[QHealthy]

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[Veinos]

Am I the only one not seeing any board suits in the hands history lately?
There's being several post I couldn't see hero's card color, nor the board's texture.

I would raise the flop bet to thin the field and make them pay to draw to their 2nd pair with pair or FD

I would consider 3betting pre too, but given his passive tendency this might not be the ideal opponent. We can't really make a mistake by 3betting that kind of player though, he'll call a bunch of Ax, and KQ, KJ type hand and most likely 4bet the hands that dominates us.

[peasantonpaper]

Am I the only one not seeing any board suits in the hands history lately?
There's being several post I couldn't see hero's card color, nor the board's texture.

I would raise the flop bet to thin the field and make them pay to draw to their 2nd pair with pair or FD

I would consider 3betting pre too, but given his passive tendency this might not be the ideal opponent. We can't really make a mistake by 3betting that kind of player though, he'll call a bunch of Ax, and KQ, KJ type hand and most likely 4bet the hands that dominates us.

i get the same no suits phenomenon for last few days. weird thing is in one post the suits were there when i first responded but not since then.

as for hand i'm in the exact opposite camp. i hate pf 3bet bc you don't allow the 2 loose players in wide. for the same reason i don't like raising the flop.
if we flat KQ QJ QT Q9 and PPs will likely overcall whereas they'd be much less likely to cold call a raise. multiway ott UTG is likely to play way more str8fwd, altho he should be fairly str8 up 4way on the dry board as well. so basically i think raising flop is pure spew bc it raises the wide ranges out and leaves us valuetowning ourselves vs almost any hand that UTG will continue with. what will he call with that we beat KQ? that's about it and even then we won't get more streets from him. far better to just let the loose plyrs do what they do best--put money in light.

[QHealthy]

What about folding the flop?

a 27/11 Betting in vs 3 peoples has a very strong range there to start with. Also there is a chance someone has a flush draw a set or a pair that will improve to 2 pair or trips a gutshot that will get there some % of the times. the preflop raiser's range + the ranges of 2 other players, how often we expect to hold up at showdown? I'd say not very often.

[peasantonpaper]

What about folding the flop?

a 27/11 Betting in vs 3 peoples has a very strong range there to start with. Also there is a chance someone has a flush draw a set or a pair that will improve to 2 pair or trips a gutshot that will get there some % of the times. the preflop raiser's range + the ranges of 2 other players, how often we expect to hold up at showdown? I'd say not very often.

folding makes no sense to me. if we were going to fold this strong a hand to a cbet just because 2 super wide ranges that are a bit call happy are behind us then we should be 3betting pf to keep them out of the hand. BUT we want them in the hand because they will put money in light and our call just gives them more reason to call as well, fairly often showing up with weak hands with little equity like gutters or underpairs, sometimes just A-hi with a backdoor fd. sometimes they'll have decent equity as when they have the FD but i think mostly they will have less and we want them to come along and improve our pot odds vs utg's range (or more idealy just valuetown them after utg gets out of the way but i don't think we can wait around for those spots. we have to call the cbet)

pfr can cbet wider than you expect here whether for good reasons or bad.
good reason: board is relatively dry with a lot of money in the pot. i can cbet targeting the fish to call wide and then force them to fold on good barrel cards (or realize my equity) while getting MP to fold bc he will see my multiway cbet as strong
bad reason: big pot, gotta stab once, reevaluate.
bad reason: i've got 88-JJ and want to see where i'm at
bad reason: .....(there are many far worse ones too)

i don't think many lowstakes players adjust to multiway pots appropriately and they don't realize how strong collective ranges can be and cbet and call too lightly. on the flip side there are players who overadjust and nit it up too much, bc they think ppl only cbet the tip top of their ranges in MW pots without weighing all the factors. fwiw, the 2 fish left to act are certainly in the group of plyrs who don't adjust to MW pots well and will still give action light. if you know this and you have the initiative, you should be more willing to bet into them knowing that even worse hands than your marginal hand can call AND they'll likely be wide enough that you could barrel them on good cards. on top of that, you can squeeze a reg between you and the fish cuz he'll think 'well he knows he's getting called like always here so he's betting for value. he probably has like AA KK AQ maybe AK or Ax with FD, i fold top pair top kicker because of the reverse implied odds'.

don't get me wrong, i still think we should be folding a lot in this spot but AQ is far too strong to muck tow one bet imo.