KQ suited with a monster draw

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<b>'KQ suited'</b>
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<b>Poker Stars</b>
- Tournament - Game 1111111111
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, Wed May 02 5:29:28 2012ET
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554954597 1 No Limit Hold'em (50/100) Full Ring Real Money (USD)
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<div class="player seat1 CO">
<span class="position">CO</span>
<span class="value">Seat 1: Player1 (2,043)</span>
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<div class="player seat2 BTN">
<span class="position">BTN</span>
<span class="value">Seat 2: Player2 (3,595)</span>
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<span class="value">Seat#: playerName (balance)</span>
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<div class="player seat4 SB">
<span class="position">SB</span>
<span class="value">Seat 4: Player4 (1,600)</span>
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<div class="player seat5 BB">
<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Seat 5: Player5 (2,015)</span>
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<div class="player seat6 UTG highlight">
<span class="position">UTG</span>
<span class="value">Seat 6: Player6 (2,280)</span>
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<span class="value">Seat#: playerName (balance)</span>
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<div class="player seat8 HJ hero">
<span class="position">HJ</span>
<span class="value">Seat 8: Hero (1,967)</span>
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<span class="value">Seat#: playerName (balance)</span>
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<div class="action seat4 SB">
<span class="position">SB</span>
<span class="value">Player4 post the small blind of 50</span>
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<div class="action seat5 BB">
<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Player5 post the big blind of 100</span>
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<div class="action withCards seat8 HJ hero">
<span class="position">HJ</span>
<span class="value">Dealt to Hero</span>
<span id="card1" class="card cardKh">Kh</span>
<span id="card2" class="card cardQh">Qh</span>
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<span class="position">UTG</span>
<span class="value">Player6 folds</span>
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<div class="action seat8 HJ hero">
<span class="position">HJ</span>
<span class="value">Hero raises to 235</span>
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<span class="position">CO</span>
<span class="value">Player1 calls 235</span>
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<div class="action seat2 BTN">
<span class="position">BTN</span>
<span class="value">Player2 folds</span>
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<span class="position">SB</span>
<span class="value">Player4 folds</span>
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<div class="action seat5 BB">
<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Player5 calls 135</span>
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<p id="lblCommentsPreFlop" class="comment">Generally, I have a tough time reviewing hands that do not involve me losing any chips, but I am begining to go over both my Push and fold spots as well as the spots that I collect or spew big chunks of my stack. I beleive this will help me have a better understanding of how and why I get to play with a big stack or minuscule stack when it comes to the High blind play. I beleive that it was Greg who explained that it is important to take into account how we ended up with the amount of chips when it comes to med-high blind play and not just our push fold decisions.</p>
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<span class="title">FLOP (3 players)</span>
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<span class="total">Total pot 755</span>
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<span id="card1" class="card cardJc">Jc</span>
<span id="card2" class="card card9h">9h</span>
<span id="card3" class="card card4h">4h</span>
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<div class="action seat5 BB">
<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Player5 checks</span>
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<div class="action seat8 HJ hero">
<span class="position">HJ</span>
<span class="value">Hero checks</span>
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<div class="action seat1 CO">
<span class="position">CO</span>
<span class="value">Player1 bets 300</span>
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<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Player5 calls 300</span>
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<span class="position">HJ</span>
<span class="value">Hero raises to 1,732</span>
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<span class="position">CO</span>
<span class="value">Player1 folds</span>
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<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Player5 folds</span>
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<p id="lblCommentsFlop" class="comment">So, as you can see I raised preflop and get two callers (CO and SB). Now according to their HUD they have been both playing fairly tight aggressive over 75 hands. CO: 19/9/2.0, SB:14/4/2.5. Anyways, I'm more worried about CO's hand range because he has position over me and is probably sitting closer to the top of his range, where SB is more or less priced in to call and could be calling with a wide range of cards. The flop turns out to be a monster for my hand (2 overcards, FD, Inside straight draw) I believe I counted 18 outs. So, now I have a decision to make, do I bet, check-raise or check-call. This is were I think I may have missed some value in maximizing my profits.</p>
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<span class="total">Total pot 3,087</span>
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<span id="card1" class="card cardJc">Jc</span>
<span id="card2" class="card card9h">9h</span>
<span id="card3" class="card card4h">4h</span>
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<div class="action seat1 CO ">
<span class="position">CO</span>
<span class="value">Seat 1: Player1 folded</span>
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<span class="position">BTN</span>
<span class="value">Seat 2: Player2 didn't bet (folded)</span>
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<span class="position">SB</span>
<span class="value">Seat 4: Player4 folded</span>
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<div class="action seat5 BB ">
<span class="position">BB</span>
<span class="value">Seat 5: Player5 folded</span>
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<span class="position">UTG</span>
<span class="value">Seat 6: Player6 didn't bet (folded)</span>
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<div class="action seat8 HJ hero isWinner">
<span class="position">HJ</span>
<span class="value">Seat 8: Hero won (3,087)</span>
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<p id="lblCommentsAfterHand" class="comment">My question is did I play this hand to perfection or would you have c-bet this flop or just check-flatted. Any Suggestions? I figured this would be a good hand to talk analyze, but I could be wrong. I just want to double check my thinking behind it.</p>
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Damn it, Sorry Guys I am having trouble with this new Hand Converter. Anyone know how to post hands properly with this converter?

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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50.00/t100.00 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 1755183
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: t2043.00 20.43 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 79
BTN: t3595.00 35.95 BBs - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 12, AF: 0.0, Hands: 75
SB: t1600.00 16 BBs - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 11, AF: 1.8, Hands: 110
BB: t2015.00 20.15 BBs - VPIP: 13, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 75
UTG: t2280.00 22.80 BBs - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 76
Hero (MP): t1967.00 19.67 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 54854

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is MP with K Q
1 fold, Hero raises to t235, CO calls t235, 2 folds, BB calls t135

Flop: (t755) J 9 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t300.00, BB calls t300, Hero raises to t1732, CO folds, BB folds

[Charette]

Was I able to extract maximum value in this spot? I'm thinking now that a c-bet may have been a more optimal play against these two villains.

2 reasons: 1. I have flopped what appears to be a monster draw with overs (6), inside straight draw (4), and a FD (9), which leaves me with nineteen possible outs. Although one must keep in mind that my over cards may be out kicked against CO's range (AK,AQ,QQ+). I still believe that this may have been an opportune time to build a pot.
2. I think I get more value out of my c-bet because I think this will let worst hands and wider ranges call my predictable c-bet on the flop. The check/jam is just to strong of play I think now and I am only ever being snapped off by (JJ+,99,44), which is a very small part of their range.

I also don't think a check/call is in order, I believe this would really limit my winning of the pot only by hitting one of my outs, which I may be forced to fold on the turn when I miss which will really hurts my tournament equity after dumping a fat percentage of my stack into this hand.

After looking it over and analyzing it, I feel my optimal line would have been bet/c-bet/jam turn whether I hit or miss. This way I have the opportunity of taking it down by showing the best hand or having both villains possibly wrongly fold their weaker holdings. It appears that playing this hand like the nuts is going to get max value.

Any thoughts?

Charette

[tallscotuk]

I like the way you played it. The is more than enough in the pot to justify taking it down.

As well as the outs that you do want to see there are lots of cards that you really dont want to hit the flop. If any A,J,9,4 or spade hits you are going to be in a difficult situation. I prefer getting it over with earl,y taking the pot and building up your stack.