$10/$20- two interesting riv spots

[deepsquat]

Two interesting spots with AQ where we hit TP on the riv. Thjought might make good discussion

I think hand 2 is a super standard must raise

Hand 1 i think is a bit closer given the narrower ranges, but given that a competant player will often vbet worse for value makes in an interesting spot.

Ive left the riv decision out in Hand 1, does nayone play Hand 2 differently?


Hand 1:

Villain is a very good reg, usually plays in higher games like 30/60+

I have no history with him, he doesnt know me at all as i rarely play at stars.

My thoughts are that he is unlikely to bluff 3bet this riv for several reasons, main one being no-one ever folds and my hand look exactly like Ax.

There will be some Tx in his range, also possible AK, maybe AQ

There are no draws on the flop either, thus prob making his flop range stronger than usual. I also doubt he turns 66 into a riv 3bet bluff.

Heros riv play should be?


Poker Stars $10.00/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A:heart: Q:diamond:
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 2:heart: T:diamond: 5:club: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls

Turn: (5.75 BB) T:heart: (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls

River: (7.75 BB) A:diamond: (2 players)
MP bets, Hero raises, MP 3-bets, Hero ?

Hand 2:

Villain is a tricky, winning reg. Trickier than Villain in Hand 1 but not as good a player and more likely to be capable of bluff 3betting here.



Full Tilt Poker $10.00/$20 Limit Hold'em - 4 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with A:diamond: Q:spade:
2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls

Flop: (6 SB) 3:diamond: 9:spade: 9:club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4:spade: (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

River: (7 BB) Q:club: (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls

[bigbluffben]

hand 1 i think i just fold the turn, doesn't seem like he has too many draws and is probably gonna play pretty good vs our hand on the river

once we get to the river i usually just call, i def know that's probably debatable but i just don't see to many hands he should be b/c'ing with on the river that we beat and we avoid opening ourselves from the exact spot we're in


as far as hand 2 i play it the same, he might actually have worse value hands here (QT, QJ)

[La Peste]

Hand 1, I play it the same up until the river, but I think can fold to the 3 bet it's very hard to imagine a worse hand (or the same hand) playing like this for value and this would be an insane bluff. Hand 2 I'd play exactly the same.

[darkhorse]

Hand 1: I think river is just a call. I might raise sometime in the heat of the action but then I would fold to a raise.

Hand 2: I´d play the same. I would play AQ the same in villains shoes.

[deepsquat]

Good responses guys.

I r/f riv in hand 1 buy prob agree with DH that its prob a call, depending on how thin he vbets and what his calling range is on the riv to a raise.

I feel its often better to avoid spots like this vs good players or at a table with good players where i may have to r/f riv when my hand is faceup

Hand 2 is pretty std and i agree with playing AQ like this in villains shoes vs a good player